14. I didn't apply to Big 4 for summer of 2023 So this summer I am interning at a publicly traded company operating internal audit and tax, even working with KPMG through these audits. I hate this so much. 3. However, during our meetings staff is making it sound that you have to work really hard in order to receive a return offer (not exactly those words but along the We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Didn't get any internships in public accounting. For some people, they apply once, have one interview and boom, internship. Your mileage may That is all you need to get a job at big 4. 1 probably isn’t good enough. Make sure to explain diplomatically your experience with the other firm and say it was your decision not to take an offer with them. The difficulty is getting into Big4 consulting when you have zero experience. It sounds like you're hit with a double whammy by also graduating from a non-target school. “The companies are huge. Corporate card: All Deloitte interns get a corporate Amex card for certain expenses. In short, to answer your question I would say it is easier to get an accounting internship simply because there are more opportunities available. Just be pleasant to everyone you meet and try hard to complete work that is assigned to you and you should get an offer. The winter interns (January-March) will be the busiest and will have more than the summer interns due to the client workload. Recruiters don't expect the intern to know anything, just show a willingness to learn. This allows interns to build beneficial relationships and knowledge with KPMG professionals, clients, and peers. Try to get an internship with a smaller firm and get your gpa up and apply after. The vast majority of my B4 starting class were interns over the last couple of years. I am finishing up my internship in the audit practice of a Big 4 accounting firm. It's making me hate myself. Transfering in with experience is easier. 6. KPMG. Hi all, I’m currently aiming We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. That being said, it's quite a bit of luck. You will learn more in the first 5 days than in your last 5 years. Hello friends I have two interviews next week for an LA Also getting an internship isn’t relatively hard they’re known to take in a fuck load of ppl each year. Hey everyone! I posted about this in late June and have waited a little bit to see if things changed. But this varies depending on person to person. Big 4 easily hires like a quarter of the audit industry with 90 something percent of new hires leaving after a few years. I am not trying to dishearten you, just trying to warn you as I would have appreciated someone warning me before I started at a big 4 firm. Just start applying to things, have your career center/friends look at your resume, practice interviewing (behavioral questions). Otherwise - meet lots of people and learn about them! 2. Having a low GPA and being a few years out of school will make it difficult to secure an internship. I’ve interned at both a small firm and B4. Additionally how hard is it to get an offer from them for summer 2023 (sophomore summer). If you are just looking to go audit, tax, or it audit you won’t have any problems if you go to a public school. MembersOnline. No work as an intern. 27. Reply. Try to understand what matters to your group and who is important in your group. Just go interview with other firms. As such they put the same amount of rigor into the intern hiring process as their recruiting process. 4. Most don’t ask that you have a lot of financial knowledge and they won’t quiz you on it, but they care a lot about your motivation (why PwC- return offer. Some people can get Big 4 positions very easily, others it's very difficult. A former KMPG intern said that, while the in-semester internship was a bear, it provided more hands-on work experience and the ability to make closer connections with current employees. All of the work you are doing is completely new to you and nobody expects you to know what you are doing 100% of the time as an intern. Either way, Big 4 is desperate for people so it’s hard to not get the offer 😂. Hi, I know it's harder to get into a Big 4 company as a working full-time compared to as an intern transitioning to full-time. have a good attitude and don’t act like any task is beneath you. Summer: there’s more competition. Enjoy the high pay while it How hard is it to get an entry level Big 4 job without prior internship experience at a Big 4? Currently a junior and have a very good internship offer from a top 10 firm, but not Big 4. I had no accounting internships whatsoever and was not at a target school but applied on the website and got an offer at PwC NYC. Most of the work for audit and tax is around the winter, though there are exceptions. It definitely won’t get to the point of rescinding your offer (again unless it’s an overall GPA Welcome to r/Big4, a place to discuss everything related to the Big 4 accounting firms: PwC, Deloitte, EY, & KPMG. There are other service lines in the Big 4 which are more value-added. There’s an understanding students may not do great in one or two classes. Post Big 4 Intern Advice. I came from one under Consulting Services - IT Audit and have no related internship experience prior. Hi, I do a BCom/LLB in accounting and econ. Do you think it is more difficult to get a date or more difficult to land a big 4 internship? In order to get a big 4 internship, one has to maintain a decent GPA in a relatively hard major. Every group in every big 4 accounting firm is different. I have heard that the headcount for mgt consult is pretty few. 1 is fine for getting in. I TRULY believe that a lot of internships are randomly selected. Audit internship offer at KPMG and RSM. And don't be hard on yourself for feeling like you are learning things too slowly. heshtofresh. You're not screwed, interview with another big 4 and you'll be fine. To standout you need the stuff u/foxu mentions. I got hired by Big 4 out of college without an internship, and I start in 2 weeks as well! I'm a good interview I think, so for me it was just a matter of getting the interview by having a strong resume. And no applying now with your GPA won’t hurt your chances of applying later on. The Big 4 need a lot of graduates, but obviously they try and screen out any that are going to cause a problem. . Non-tech advisory rarely hires for internships, they do most hiring upon graduation or internal transfers. I was a pretty average student. Any advice on which to pick would be appreciated. You better have some godlike connections or some crazy good projects to show off if you want an internship at a company like Microsoft. Big4 is always hiring. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. You are literally competing with every accounting student at your school and every other major university in the area for a handful of spots at the Big 4. I know everyone hates Big 4 for the most part but, for me that would be a big goal in my life - Double majoring in Accounting and Business Analytics at a target school for Big 4 - May 2025 grad, May 2025 CPA eligibility - 3. During the summer, everyone and their mom wants a $24 an hour, 32-hour a week accounting internship. It not overly hard to get in, but you have to put in the work. Maybe you didn't like the technology stack. Reply reply. In my first year I applied for an internship through the CA young achievers program and got selected for an interview at EY. Don’t throw away your youth - you’ll break six figures either way. Big4a. The fun semester-long “meet the firms” events put up by these firms seems like it’s just a way to trick naive college students into thinking It depends on what you bring to the table, and the luck you also get through the process. Apply to the summer conferences. Resume screening & interviews try to be neutral, but there's always going to be biases. They usually have some college events going on although it'll be interesting to see how they go ahead given the current restrictions. Some people genuinely like the idea of working at one of the Big 4. Written offer = anywhere from 1-2 weeks. 99% chance of getting an offer after the internship, unless you fuck up big time. Sidenote: I never received the “official” EY notebooks, so just in case, bring your The fact that I got an internship was indication enough I’d be hired. Now just keep in mind there are certain rules and limitations which dictate the card’s usage. Was just after some tips and general advice! The point of the resume is to secure an interview. Tbh pretty high chance of getting an offer. You can use it for your Uber, food, and to book a hotel. ago. You miss 100% of the shots you don't take, but as to your odds, it really depends on the practice. If you have any questions about interning, the process of getting an internship, or any other relevant issues related to interning at a Big 4 firm, I will go through and answer some questions tomorrow (Sunday). The only redeeming quality of audit is that there are more exit opportunities but competition can be high due to the number of auditors competing for them. What I want to know…. Also odds are you’re underestimating your abilities at least with regards your superiors expectations as an intern. 1. Offers already went out for the big 4s. It's not impossible to get hired on without an internship, but it's not ideal. Good luck! Intern work is pretty easy. Chill lang yung interview ng manager sakin, tinanong lang kung willing to learn ako hehe I suggest go take your chance. The biggest thing imo is to make sure you enjoy the people you work with at the firm while being an intern. 8. But when I'm around others for an extended period of time, it's hard. r/Accounting. Just get out there and try. Maybe you didn't like the team/city/company culture. Currently interning at one of the big4 and I assumed everyone gets a return offer once the internships ends. FIRE_CPA_98. You may have gotten experience in different industries, etc. SweatyBird2161. The internship seems like a good idea, but a full-time role really is just a name-brand marketing scam that enables these firms to work their staff under inhumane conditions that don’t exist in Top 30 firms. The Big 4 Consulting firm would be a much larger name on the resume, and I don't know how technical the work would be as it is consulting. You talk about Martin Scorsese while you’re eating lunch with the people interviewing you. However, a mate of mine who also did the CA young achievers Outside of that, make sure that you are personable and can actually relate to the person that you’re talking to, since a lot of times people are just hired based on vibes. The last statistic I saw was that 95% of full time offers go to interns. 2. Attrition rate there is high due to volume of work and low compensation. Source: I’m an accounting professor that works with the recruiters on our campus. Usually you have to be terrible and unlikeable to not get an offer. However it is really good for your CV to have big 4 experience. Im currently interning and about to get an offer from my first big 4 internship. It's a lot easier to get internships than full time, except for microsoft, because for them, both intern and full time takes like 4 hours. Hi all, as title says, I will be interning at the Big 4 soon. Location changes cannot be guaranteed at the conclusion of the internship. Had offers myself by going. The B4 (especially the consulting division) appreciates diverse applicants. In general, it is much more difficult to snag an advisory internship, especially if you are coming from a non-target school. Both offers are in the same city. I heard you don’t get an offer if you REALLY mess up. Keep an eye out for competitions during the school year, winning teams often get internships for the following summer. Honestly it really not that hard to get internship at the big4. So this question is directed towards you guys. RSM on the other hand is paying more. Sorry if this is a dumb question, kinda new to this We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. You're checking the boxes on 3 important areas: GPA, some extracurricular, and work experience. Work on your interviewing and interpersonal skills. Despite what people say, it isn't all that difficult to get into the big 4 IF you have the right degree with a good GPA and come across as hard working and professional. ADMIN MOD. May 2, 2019 · Most Big Four interns are known to make $30 per hour and up. I know these firms try to make a good impression for their interns so that they sign full-time offers. Onto answering your question--I'm going to frame it in three parts: Legality: Make sure you understand what exactly you need to do in order to obtain the internship from the perspective of visas/working permits/sponsorships things like that. Don’t do Big 4 full-time. I’d recommend discussing with your recruiter before the internship is over. Understand your group. I would think there is a larger pool of applicants for an internship than a entry level full time job. I hate this fucking Internship so much. Maybe you're genuinely interested in aggressively exploring as many things as possible early on in your career (which any talented and ambitious engineer or designer should be doing). A good application will definitely get you an interview which is where the decision on whether you would fit in a group. You should go. I think FLPS are harder to get into than the big 4 accounting firm. Do Bring a notepad. Each B4 has them, applications are usually Feb/March, and if you are accepted and attend the conference, you generally get a summer internship offer for the following summer. After that it comes down to other factors. • 4 yr. I think the thing that makes an internship at a Big 4 special is once you are done, (if you did it right) you proved yourself to be flexible, able to face clients right out of school (not everyone can do that), you learned tech skills, soft skills, etc. The people really do make the place. Depends on how you define difficult. If it gets your hands on money or a 10-key, that’s good resume material. KPMG: 29. Career fair is a great place to get offers and show that you’re a real person not just a face behind a screen. Research for undergrads (REU) on a summer can get you a decent job at a company on the following summer. Focus on building your resume with proyects, student assosiations, electives and other similar activities. Should I leave out on my resume the internship experience I The first one got the transfer because 1) audit is a larger, less competitive service line then transactions and 2) they asked before the full time offers were extended, so their full time offer was in audit, rather than trying to change it after the fact. I felt I had a good internship, and I performed menial work with dedication and a smile for 72 Summer tax interns are generally slower and a lot of work is just ticking and tieing workpapers or rolling them forward from prior year, maybe a few excel exercises like vlookups and pivot tables. lil-heisenberg. Id say full time is easier. Benefits on top of benefits. However, it also seems that FRM is pretty hard to get in also, as it requires experience statistical software Hey all, I want an honest opinion of chances of landing a big 4 offer. However, I would like to apply to multiple big 4 companies in the future semesters just to experience all their work cultures and gain more experience. You're going to have to work your ass off to get even a basic programming internship at any company much less the big 4. Not too hard. For internships Stay focused and as engaged as possible. 6 GPA, 4. This card is especially beneficial when you travel. They may be aware of the lack of work/life balance, but think they can put up with it. You are there to learn and get experience, so as long as you have a positive attitude at work, you will get a full time offer. I wouldn’t recommend taking on hundreds of thousands of dollars in student debt to get out of school making 70k starting. I was wondering is it too late to apply for these big 4. Volunteer roles for organizations on campus like fiscal officers, be a teller at a bank or credit union, an ‘internship’ for basic bookkeeping. washed_up_golfer. 0, so I think you’re fine. Speaking of that, you need to do some self reflection here. That’s the section that will get you a job! Reduce everything else to compensate. Do you find that it takes more effort than that to get a date for you? Your recruiter is telling you the truth. CS is really competitive. Between expensing, tracking time, billable hours, and every acronym known to man, you’ll fill a notebook before you even get into what auditing or taxation is about. For other fintech companies, it depends. You don't want to be that one guy who has the wrong visa and a job offer. Jul 19, 2016 · Getting to know more people will also increase your chances of having people say good things about you doing intern review period. I got mine in a senior year so I might not be the right person to answer your question but all I can say is joining bap society and attending the career fairs are super helpful. But I don’t think they’ll look too hard at your transcripts. To be honest a 3. PwC and Deloitte have strong consulting arms which hire apart from advisory, they are much more difficult to get in. But no you're not screwed. When it comes to questions to ask at the end of the interview, I always recommend asking questions that’ll make the other person talk for a long time. Share. RSM: 33 an hour and a $1,500 signing bonus. 19. As a result, you should pursue an internship in the location where you would like to build your life and career long-term after graduation. My PML said that as long as we don’t screw up, have decent people skills, and show “growth” during the internship, we should get full-time offers. Verbal offer = sometime during your last week, most likely on the friday. The tasks at Big 4 are more divided so you’re only seeing a very small portion of the audit. Anyway, most internships require a 3. 0-3. It felt easier getting big 4 offers than smaller firms for me, at least. Other people, it's 100s of applications and 0 emails back. Usually, most new grads decide to leave after a year or two. This means top colleges are targeted (this is what my parents meant long ago - the importance of getting into a good college, but I digress). Now if your GPA starts to dip below like the 3. They just want to get to know you (so you have to introduce yourself obviously), for me it’s all back to back interviews, first one is the casual conversation and you just chat/ask Qs (you should know some stuff about EY like their values), second one is all behavioral Qs. Maybe you didn't get an offer for any number of possible reasons. Interviewed well and got an offer. • 2 yr. IAmA Big 4 Audit Intern. 3 (non-consulting positions) you need to be careful. In my limited observation, I know a few people who switched from audit to advisory or tax before starting full-time. Good luck on your future endeavors. Never had an internship. My state school churned out big 4 audit and tax interns/new hires, but there were very few that started in advisory. •. Of course, no matter which route you take you can always just apply directly for an entry level role at a Big 4. Occasionally, interns won't get offers for what would seem like relatively benign reasons, but that is fairly unlikely. It’s difficult if you go to a non-campus recruiting school and have a poor GPA. The bank is an international one that is also p large, but idk how that would look on my resume compared to Big 4. Your GPA is fine. Be sure to make the differentiation between big 4 advisory and big 4 consulting. I have heard so much about Big 4 opportunities and advantages. A lot of people intern as sophomores/juniors. I know it's only been 2 weeks but these two weeks have already been hell. 5. It's really not that big an achievement Ok so I just recently joined this sub and saw that recruiting for Summer 2023 has already started like a while ago. They will recruit again in the fall to fill up what is left, so July ish. I was a mature student with great grades that got me in. It’s not difficult if you go to a campus Interviews have Leetcode problems and behavioral questions. If and once you get an offer at the end of said internship and you don't like tax, you can usually use that leverage to request a switch to audit or advisory (if there is room). This is obviously dependent on your situation, because some people may not do a master’s program, and some others may do a 2-year program. The things you've described about your personality fit me down to the Tee. After I am done with school will it be difficult getting a job at big 4. Probably the reputation, but pretty much any accounting major can get a big 4 offer. ExperienceEY is one. Dec 12, 2016 · The biggest distinction between the two periods of time is that in the summer, there is really not a huge demand for interns. Yes, most booths just tell you to scan the QR code and apply online BUT you will also discover more companies than you would just browsing job boards online. That being said be prepared for an extremely toxic atmosphere and people being fake to your face and backstabbing you when you get the chance. Hi could you list the other services you would recommend for a fresh grad to pursue. I didn’t get an offer in the end. Honestly a 2. Award. 0 Accounting GPA (subject to change) - Upcoming audit internship for summer of 2024 at a mid-sized public accounting firm 3. if this is in person and not remote, don’t be distracted by your phone all day and constantly be checking your phone. In that relative to other majors you have more opportunities. My interests one is management consulting and financial risk management. I think you missed the spring recruiting deadlines for summer and winter 2022. • 3 yr. I’m going to be blunt, you have to either be really bad or really weird to not get an offer after an internship, especially at B4. Getting hired out of college and working at big 4 is harder. I want to intern at multiple big 4 companies. Also, intern recruiting is more hectic because of the summer deadline. Welcome to r/Big4, a place to discuss everything related to the Big 4 accounting firms: PwC, Deloitte, EY, & KPMG. You can get lost during the summer and not get anything out of it First year big 4 consultant here headed into year 2 in a few months. For big tech companies, a lot of the hiring happens through intern conversion. Both are NYC-ish. I've worked 9am- like 7-8 pm every single fucking day + WORK ON We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. For Jane Street, I think, there are still just Leetcode problems (at least in the first rounds, for swe). The thing to keep in mind is to explain your plan. Advice and questions welcome. Rainliberty. If you have a low GPA but offer something special, maybe an exception will be made. fazaian. • 7 yr. Basically they pick 10 fantastic candidates and just choose some. The bank offers $5 more an hour, and some housing, but is also SWE for sure. show up on time for meetings. U can go to a no-name school and still get in with minimal networking. Maybe even longer considering they are normally not in a rush since offers to interns are given out so ahead before their actual start date. Big 4 will walk you through everything, expect you to ask stupid questions, and overall have better training/resources. 87 an hour and a $2,000 signing bonus. Should I accept this offer, or hold out for something from Big 4? We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Advisory is very general, there are many different service lines under the advisory umbrella. Some things you can do to look better are campus leadership and potentially supervisory experience at your job, or an internship, but none of these are hard requirements. No. The main thing firms want to see is if you can learn Excel and some of the more basic technical topics that you work on. In need of advice moving forward. I got rejected from a F150 after an interview I prepared hours for. USA. I recently interned at PwC in audit (busy season in Chicago). The only time where it could maybe effect your Big 4 full time job is if you intern at an audit client in an accounting/financial reporting role, you would likely have a “cooling off” period before being able to be staffed on that client. I’m not sure what bucket you fall into, you need to fix it or you will be making posts about how you were fired. You should expand on your professional experience as much as possible. Once you complete your internship, you will likely be given an offer to start full-time a year later, after you’ve completed your 1-year master’s program. For winter internships, there’s a lot of people that don’t apply because they don’t want to work a 32-hour internship plus full-time school and/or don’t want to experience busy season. However, a lot of people also see working at one of the Big 4 as looking really good on your resume. Just go to the job fair and get an internship somewhere. Primarily for accountants and aspiring accountants to learn about and discuss their career choice. I can fake charisma and extraversion for short bursts - allowing me to excel at interviews and networking events. I am about to apply for big 4's summer internship and thinking about which division I should use. I heard a Big 4 rep in a Beta Alpha Psi meeting recently say that you have to screw up to not get an offer. AwkwardClassroom. ly qf py rx ds di xq wk ai go